Uganda’s opposition leader, Dr Kiiza Besigye’s address in Joburg, 18 Sept 2010.

19 Sep

By Stephen Twinoburyo

Five years ago, I was one of the people that listened to Uganda’s opposition leader, Dr Kiiza Besigye, give his farewell speech in Pretoria as he departed for Uganda to face an uncertain future. Indeed the future was scary because on reaching Uganda to contest against the incumbent, President Yoweri Museveni, he faced a number of charges including treason and terrorism.

On Saturday, 18 September 2010, I was among the group of Ugandans and non-Ugandans alike that trekked to Johannesburg to meet him and hear what he had to say about the state of affairs in Uganda as well as his view on where he thinks the country should be heading. I here give a report of what transpired in that meeting and the analysis or commentary will follow in the comments section.

Dr Besigye’s mostly jovial and humorous address started with a narration of the history of his involvement with the NRM and Museveni. He was a friend of Museveni and campaigned for his Uganda Patriotic Movement (UPM) party in the 1980 elections. By then, the UPM was a minor party that did not expect to make a major impact but rather create an new space in Uganda’s political dynamics. Museveni promised that if elections were rigged, he would go to the bush to fight but those close to him did not actually believe him. And indeed there were reports of rigging, not against the UPM but against the Democratic Party (DP). Museveni himself was defeated in his own constituency by then DP candidate, Mr sam Kutesa, who is now the minister of foreign affairs, a close ally of Museveni and who now share relation through the marriage of their children. After the elections, Museveni went to the bush and launched a guerrilla war against Milton Obote’s government that were declared the eventual winners.

Dr Besigye remained in Kampala but was later arrested at Sheraton hotel and taken to a Uganda People’s Congress (UPC) prison that was then at the International Conference center. It was there that he managed to escape and flee to Nairobi, Kenya, where he started working as a medical practitioner at Agha Khan hospital. Some of the people he was with in prison then, including prominent people from Mbarara: Mbiringi, Kabazeire and Karuhanga, have never been seen again since. After a short stay at Agha Khan hospital, he decided to abandon everything and go to fight a horrible system I Uganda. He says the bush war was not easy but they persisted in the belief that they were going to turn Uganda into a better country, not ware of the disillusionment that was yet to come. The war awas against a system that catered for a few and dehumanized the majority.

He went on to describe a patrimonial state that Uganda has become under Museveni, a patriarch being a an imposing person that believes he has the paternal right over those around him. According to Dr Besigye, Museveni once mentioned that ‘a president is next to God” and may actually believe it. “Probably he believes in God the father, God the son and God the president”, Dr Besigye said. He mentioned that so far, there is Museveni the president (himself), Museveni the minister (his wife) and Museveni the head of the army’s most elite unite (his son), not to mention his brother and in-law that are also ministers. 

Dr Besigye outlined the tools that patriarchs use that have indeed been Museveni’s methods:

Fear: patriarchs always have things around them that threaten. Museveni travels in a large convoy that consists of heavy military hardware such as rocket propelled grenades, machine-gun mounted cars e.t.c. While the country has no ambulances or fire-fighting vehicles, there are plenty of teargas vehicles, mambas and nyalas – all tools of fear. Museveni is always surrounded by AK47-wielding soldiers.

  • Dispensing favours: Museveni personally dispenses things like money, scholarships, business support, houses, vehicles, jobs e.t.c such that even some of the people who are against his system sometimes feel they have to tow the line or else they will fall by the way side. Whenever he visits villages, people come out knowing he is going to donate something – even roads. He has taken over the role of institutions.
  • Propaganda: the media has been thoroughly put under his control such that some radio stations have to apologize for hosting an opposition politician.
  •  Divide and rule: Uganda has now been broken down into numerous tiny units that each benefit directly from Museveni and are in direct competition or conflicts with each other. Numerous districts have been produced. Almost each and every tribe has faction that are fighting each other and each directly having the president’s ear. So are the religions. For a example, a company that was contarcted to explore oil in Bunyoro eventually sold the rights to another company for $1.5 billion. This was after spending about $300 million. While this company made $1.2 billion over their land, the Banyoro were fighting the Bafuruki and each seeking favour with Museveni.

Like with apartheid in S Africa, the effects of a patrimonial state are the same and in Uganda’s case, some of them are:

  •  Mass poverty: the countryside is bleeding. It’s not that people are not working hard but their sweat does not help. For example a farmer who harvest a 100 kg sack of maize can only be able to exchange it for an equivalent of 3 kg of sugar simply because there is no transport infrastructure to transport it the appropriate markets or there is too much corruption in the system to enable him get anything out of it. Women going to state hospitals to give birth need to buy their own surgical gloves and syringes before going to hospital – these only being the basics.


  • Last year a new presidential jet was purchased for UG Sh 84 billion after one that had been bought in 2000 for UG Sh 60 billion was deemed no longer suitable for the president. All this when state hospitals cannot provide a single panadol tablet. UG Sh 500 billion was spent on the 3 day Commonwealth Heads of Government (CHOGM) summit of which nothing, even roads, can be seen now.
  •  Collapse of public system:  all institutions, infrastructure, services, railway, water transport (e.g MV Kawa ), cooperatives, public banks are no longer existent. This is in addition to education and health that have completely collapsed. The police force has virtually turned into the military.

Dr Besigye said the Inter-Party Cooperation (IPC) is opposing this patriarch system. The system must change if Uganda is to recover. The change however must start with people’s heads. With all that is going on, with a system that has almost completely taken away people’s livelihood and dignity, you will still find those who say no change – even when their system will never improve under the present circumstances. These are all works of a patriarch. People must realize that they have the power. The IPC is not simply striving for the change of  individuals but rather the overhaul of the whole system because if new people come in under the present system, they can simply take advantage of the patrimonial system and perpetuate it.

He noted the IPC has had ideologigal differences with the DP under Nobert Mao who prefer to go it alone rather than in combination with other parties. The UPC has also decided to pull out of the IPC because it calls for a boycott of the elections while the Forum for Democratic Change (FDC) prefers participation in the elections. According to Dr Besigye, not participating will be giving Musesveni a blank cheque. The IPC now therefore is composed of all the other parties represented in parliament as well as Suubi and the DP group under Mr Sam Lubega. Dr Besigye supports the idea of the opposition working together because on top of giving one voice, it enables the optimal use of resources. He noted that resources are, and indeed are always, a challenge in an election. He said that the IPC will continue to call for the change of the current electoral commission and review of the voters’ register even if it means the postponement of the elections.

If elected into power, the IPC intends to:

  • Trim the cabinet: the cabinet now consists of 70 ministers some of whom Museveni does not recall very well.
  • Cut the defence budget and improve the living conditions of soldiers. Currently the foot soldiers live in appalling conditions.  Also separate the army from politics. Currently 10 army generals sit in parliament and vote on the side of the ruling National Resistance Movement (NRM).
  • Deal with corruption that has become a cancer on the country.
  • Create and encourage a vibrant civil society.
  • Heavily invest in rebuilding the infrastructure. The economy cannot function under the current infrastructure, most of which was built under Milton Obote’s first government in the 1960s.
  • Re-introduce the cooperatives.
  • Invest heavily in agriculture.
  • Invest in harnessing the country’s vast water resources for economic, social and health gains.

Dr Besigye’s address took just over 2 hours after which contributions and questions were raised by the public. I was the first to take to the floor and my contribution was mainly observations or suggestions.

I agreed with Dr Besigye on the issue of fear and propaganda. I noted that some people even as far as S Africa fear what the patriarch may do to them if they say something in public yet some in Uganda who are facing the system come up openly against it. I also noted that propaganda is a big tool that even countries like the US use. In my observation, the NRM does not have a good propaganda machine – or even an existing propaganda machine – outside the country and yet the opposition has failed to use this space. I also supported participation in the elections. On the opposition side, I informed the IPC president that from my observation stemming from online debates, discussions and informal forums, there is huge discontent in Uganda against the current government. However the general feeling is that the opposition is still not offering the viable alternative people are yearning for because they are not really addressing issues but rather opposing. Also opposition politics are mainly found in cities and the boardrooms of Kampala. I noted that for all his faults, Museveni knows how to campaign and despite the fact that he is the incumbent, he campaigns tirelessly to all corners of the country.

The IPC president conceded that whatever he may criticize Museveni for, he acknowledges two things in him: one, he works hard for his bad plans. He doesn’t sleep. Secondly, he plans. He knows what he wants in 10 years time and works carefully on it. But he added that the notion that the opposition is only opposing is part of the propaganda that the government is feeding on people to the extent that some are beginning to believe it. He said some of the government’s implementations have been picked straight from the opposition books – for instance the abolition of graduated tax and increase of teachers’ salaries. He also said that previously they had only managed to campaign on the eve of the lections but that this time, they have had four years to campaign and have reached all the grassroots. For the first time, the opposition will have trained representatives at each and every polling station. In response to a question from the audience, he also said that the IPC will introduce an electronic system where their agents will post results immediately after counting so that the IPC can announce their results without waiting for the electoral commission.

There were wise words, words of encouragement, the contributions got heated and sometimes emotional. A Ugandan doctor at one of S Africa’s universities asked Dr Besigye that doesn’t he think Uganda is a failing state? Dr Besigye agreed that it’s indeed a failed state and that “a state is as strong as its institutions are”. He said Somalia for instance is a failed state because all institutions had been destroyed by the previous government such that when the patrimonial system collapsed, nothing remained.

On the question of Buganda nationalism, Dr Besigye said that he supports federal. He said he doesn’t see what’s wrong with people safeguarding their cultures within the broader context of the country. he said what the Baganda are asking for is indeed theirs. He posed the question “if you are returning things to the Indians, why not to the Baganda what belongs to them?”

A UPC supporter commenting on Dr Besigye’s treason case said the only treason Dr Besigye committed was to leave dying patients at Agha Khan hospital and go to fight a democratically elected government. Of course this caused a lot of laughter. However he also asked that wasn’t Dr Besigye part of the corruption when he was still part of the NRM. Dr Besigye replied that he can explain how he worked for his things and is open to any scrutiny. Dr Besigye responding to a similar question referring to human rights says he actually supports an investigation of all past wrongs.

 Another contributor remarked that maybe UPC is right and elections are a waste of time. He noted that twice Dr Besigye has won the lections and even the courts confirmed that but Museveni went on to become the president. His opinion was that elections will never remove Museveni and that the opposition must seek alternative means. Dr Besigye responded by saying he knows how difficult it has been and they have to keep on trying. According to him, even with the rigging, vote-buying and election violence, victory is possible as has happened in Mukono recently. He also noted that Museveni has never defeated him in Kampala.

On a question on privatization, Dr Besigye said this is the biggest institutionalized scam Uganda has ever faced and in his opinion should be investigated at one point in time. It was an “accumulation scam” by a few individuals leaving the majority impoverished. All public assets were given away for the benefit of a few people – a classic case of a few exploiting the majority like happened in the S African apartheid state.

On a question of massive exposure of the rottenness in Uganda abroad, Dr Besigye observed that exposure alone won’t help. “People are not altruistic – i.e seeking the general good of all. As long as there are private gains, many (USA, Britain, S Africa e.t.c) will look away to protect their gains. At the end of the day, it’s us to drive the change”, he said.

Asked if he wasn’t concerned about his security, he answered that his security is the people. He said when he was in prison on charges of treason, a principal judge was sent to convince him to accept house arrest. He said he told the judge that if he was guilty, he should stay in prison and that if he was innocent, he should be released. He noted that the judge was sent to do all this because of the pressure from the public. He added that even if he were to be killed, those who would have killed him would find him there too. He said that fearing death in such a struggle would be a betrayal to all those who had died. His own brother had been arrested on treason charges, they were together in prison and he is now dead, but the struggle continues.

Asked if he was angry, he said he pleads to being angry at the injustices in the country but he is not bitter.

 The discussions were followed by a gala dinner organized by the FDC South African chapter and more informal interactions continued.

As an observer, and as a person who listened and interacted, I must say I was very impressed by the way he came across. I sensed this was the general feeling among all those that packed the Johannesburg venue where this engagement took place.

I look forward to hearing from other parties too about what they have to offer.

PS: I would like to clarify that I am neither a journalist nor a reporter. I am in fact a university mathematics lecturer and also venturing in the field of financial engineering. I am only writing this out this out of my own interest, firstly in writing and then sending out the message. Bear with me please if the reporting falls short of journalistic standards.


Posted by on September 19, 2010 in Stephen Twinoburyo's blogs


17 responses to “Uganda’s opposition leader, Dr Kiiza Besigye’s address in Joburg, 18 Sept 2010.

  1. moses nyondo

    September 19, 2010 at 06:45

    i n his belief for federo, his feelings for baganda and his compassion for the oppressed, he has swept me off my feet. fosho i will support him today and for ever if he fulfills the vow.

  2. moses kamukama

    September 19, 2010 at 15:46

    hi steven am realy impressed by your unique writing and reporting skills,let me ask are you sure you did not record the event?reading your article is like watching the event live ,if anyone is looking for someone to handle his reporting or pr then i guess they should look to you,you beat them all.

  3. henry

    September 19, 2010 at 18:07

    thank you steven for brilliant writing skills.
    i think you need to think about how mathematics links to writing.
    for me, this is a resounding excellent work.

    i attended the event and still excited about how peolpe gave as if they were giving for church fundraising in rural kamwenge or obama.
    all other fdc/ipc chapters should adopt FDC south africa strategy.

    the chairman fdc south africa and his committee deserves it all. that was another job well done

    “one uganda, one people”

  4. Karambuzi

    September 19, 2010 at 19:09

    Hi Steven
    If I were you, i would move away from the calculus and theorems of Pure and and applied mathematics and go to the more straight forward and less abstract Journalism – You have the skills- Omwana womuntu!!!, at least compared to what i read by the “professional journalist”.
    Steven Dr Besigye is a leader no doubt about that, but also in my view – what additionally makes move and shake minds, like he did on Saturday, is how the other leaders in were are comparing him with have deteriorated . But all said and done FDC southern Africa leadership, you suck!!! Remember what the gentleman warned us about., Fear, suspicions that bleeds division and tribalism, which are the exact things that have taken Uganda to where it finds itself now.

  5. Twino Speaks

    September 19, 2010 at 19:17

    Thank you all for the compliments. I must say that it’s until you listen to a person that you appreciate their worth and on my part, I was impressed. This has nothing to do with supporting FDC, IPC or not. The point is that I was impressed by how Dr Kiiza Besigye came across. That’s why even though I got back to my home in Pretoria just after 1 am, I had this report ready before I went to sleep. To Moses Kamukama, thanks. I didn’t record anything but just took notes. the others I remembered straight from the head.

    Of course there are areas of the IPC/FDC/opposition politics that need improvement but those I can suggest to them through their website or commmunication channels. I made my observations to him directly last night but the time was not enough to go through all of them considering that there were many people that required his attention.

    It was well a organised event and I thank the team that put it together as well as those that run the different parts of the programme.

  6. Twino Speaks

    September 19, 2010 at 19:27

    Something that I forgot to include is the announcement by a reknown journalist that the UN will release an explosive report on 1st October 2010 about Uganda’s involvement in the DRC and the accompanying atrocities. This actuaaly, dr Besigye himself was not aware of.

  7. wafula oguttu

    September 19, 2010 at 21:13

    This is a wonderful report.You write graphically. It is real effective communication.
    I have listened to Dr. KB make a similar address in Lira and I can say that you got him spot on. If I were still editing the Monitor, you would have been my instant catch! And be sure I would cajole you to correspond or be a regular writer to the paper. David, Daniel are you there at Namwongo?

  8. Matsiko Dan

    September 20, 2010 at 06:55

    Vibrant ideas in your report Stephen and thanks for sharing with us in the meeting on Saturday. We are ready to Take Uganda to the next level with people like you and your great contribution.

  9. Dan Malcom Matsiko

    September 20, 2010 at 07:23

    The real work to remove the system that benefits the few at the expense of the majority in Uganda is in full gear championed by FDC and all other IPC partners in 2011 electoral process.Your contribution to the cause is of paramount importance,
    Get a video recording of your President Dr. Kizza Besigye highlighting the major contributions from 1999- 2010, you can order telephonically +2798061616 or Visit FDC head office in Kampala.

  10. Twino Speaks

    September 20, 2010 at 17:00

    I am very humbled by your comment Mr Oguttu. Maybe I should start throwing an eye on your former position at the Monitor.

  11. henry

    September 21, 2010 at 09:14

    Hi Guys,
    I earlier responded to this posting by steve, where i reiterated my concern/knowdelge over the growing number of Ugandan conn-men/women who masquerade as traditional healers here in south africa.

    What is you need to know is that Mr. Shaba Wa Shaba (Ivan) is also the Treasurer of the NRM party, Uganda’s ruling party of Museveni. I am not sure whether as the treasurer – NRM south africa chapter, conning of people is used as one of the fundraising tool for the ruling party.

    God help Uganda

  12. Bewaayo

    September 21, 2010 at 10:49

    Thanks Steve, sure this was brialliant compared to what “professional Journalist” do!
    However, as I have discussed before with Anne Mugisha, what is the real alternative that the opposition is giving the people of the Village….They still say eee munange twebaka kutulo’ evenif the roads or water well are in a sorry state!. Our opposition should fold over the sleaves and go deep in the rural areas as was the case with HAMAS in Gaza so that people know them as “PRO- OUR NEEDs”. Dont give for free but do something and trust me, in less that 5years change will be invetible!

  13. Twino Speaks

    September 21, 2010 at 13:27

    Bewaayo, I agree with you and that’s one of the points I raised. The focus and conduct of opposition politics in Uganda has to change radically. I raised this as a matter of advice because from the many informal online forums I engage in, this concern about opposition politics is a common thread.

    This is not to criticise opposition politicians but rather to point them in what may be the right direction. Any kind of model has to change to match prevailing circumstances. Ugandan opposition politics needs modification. I have heard from a number of people who simply will not vote. Much as they are fed up with the current system, they are not so encouraged to go with the opposition.

    The opposition needs also to get out of negative campaigning and adopt positive campaigning. Many opposition politicians spend so much time on the things Musevenihas done wrong rather than on the things they can do right. The promise of hope is lacking in our opposition politics and that’s an area that needs to be focused on. There are so many things Museveni has done wrong or has simply not done but the gap he has created has remained largely unoccupied by a better promise. If that promise exists, then it’s not being communicaed to the people, at least in a way that they understand.

    Yes media outlets in Uganda are highly controlled. In this era of technology, new ways have to be devised to send messages to the people. Nigeria’s Goodluck Jonathan announced his candidature through facebook. Facebook is a huge tool. Of all Uganda’s politicians, it’s Mao that’s using facebook effectively. If you need to know more about my position on facebook, scroll far down on this blog to an article I wrote in Uganda Record about it. Let’s not be bogged down by traditional methods, which though are important, the world is changing so much such that there are alternative ways that can be explored. We cannot bemoan Museveni’s control of the media for ever. He’s not going to let grip tomorrow, so is opposition politics going to go to a standstill?

    There must be alternative ways of facing the challenges.

  14. Stephen Twinoburyo

    September 23, 2010 at 06:26

    I see the Monitor reported the story of Besigye:

    There was definitely no monitor reporter present and they just picked it from this blog and published as if they had presence. It’s good anyway that they carried the news – but the pretence ……

  15. Twino Speaks

    October 3, 2010 at 21:51

    Somebody directly sent me the following observation and requested me to paste it on his behalf:

    Hi Twino,

    I have just read your piece on the speech my Dr Besigye when he was in the country; great reporting! There is however one aspect that I feel is missing out in the analysis and political effort to salvage our country from becoming another Somalia, something implicit to Besigye and other opposition politicians. It is the failure to recognise or articulate the fact that what the country is realising now is a function of cumulative actions of political actors (if I may use your mathematical terminology). Although we should acknowledge the current status quo, focus should be on actions that ultimately led to country to find itself in the current mess. We should not under estimate actions like a president ‘awarding’ an area electricity after an exciting rally. It is an indication that the country is moving away from structured planning of power distribution. There is an interesting field of policy and engineering analysis called Systems thinking/System Dynamics (SD). SD categories the world in two categories – stocks that are accumulations over time, and flows which are actions that lead into stocks. What we see, we feel and that which hurts us in the case of Uganda are stocks. The potholes, the dirty public hospitals, uncollected garbage and poorly planned buildings are stocks. Given the relationship between stocks and flows, SD makes one fundamental pronouncement that is; stocks can only be changed by flows. So, for each situation that we find in our country, we need to take a step back to ask ourselves what actions lead to its build up and what action need to be target to influence the situation. Looking at where Uganda is at moment, retrospective analysis of the actions that have led the country to be where it is would be useful in guiding future political discourse in our country. I respective who comes into power, we should have qualified list of ‘No’ actions by a political office holder. If we can agree on this, may some of the fears and challenges of keeping IPC as single unit may be lessened. – Just a thought!!

    Based on this on this SD thinking, I wrote the following reflection to a friend when I read what had transpired in the NRM elections:

    “Reading about what has transpired in the NRM elections in Uganda – wide spread irregularities and fraud with the ballot papers, sheer incompetency in managing the election process, violence and character assassinations of ‘colleagues’ my long held fears get confirmed. I hold the view that what we witness at any particular time is an accumulation of actions that have been happing overtime. Many of us tend to react to events without taking due consideration that the event has indeed been in the creation process though a number of actions over a period of time.

    Overtime, in our beloved country, being a politician has become the most paying job. The most important qualification to get a job, a scholarship for your family members and have access to national resources that you can use with impunity has become being a NRM politician. It does not matter whether you cheated or rigged your way into a political position (Rev Bakalubba Mukasa), whether you used your influence to help yourself with the savings of ordinary Ugandans (Amamba Mbabazi), you are con artist who changes his public statements without a brink of an eye (Gilbert Bukenya), take outright brides when procuring goods and services for government (Salim Saleh) as long as you support the Movement you are protected.

    You can use as much violence as you can to suppress the opposition and be reward by a part on the shoulders. You can systematically plan how to rig an election using government resources and machinery and be rewarded by a ministerial post as long the rigging ensured that the opposition is locked out of power.
    Those in the helm of party power no longer have credibility and moral authority to enforce discipline to the lower cadres. The cadres are using the same modus operandi as sanctified by the party in keeping its self in power only this time at a micro level – maintaining individual power or status quo.

    Now the results of these accumulated actions are playing themselves within the party itself. I have always suspected that this will happen. Sacrificing morality for political power, destroying institutions for personal survival and suffocating of dissenting voices recreates an environment of impunity. This environment is a fertile ground for deception, violence, suppression and overall chaos. I am not surprised therefore that the people we used to respect have stooped to low to the level of ballot stuffing and their principals are so silent as if what is happening is normal. The phrase that comes to mind as I continue with my daily chores for today is “Cry the beloved country”.

  16. Apollo Ekelot

    December 29, 2010 at 11:26

    Twino You author very brilliant analyses of the situation in Uganda and for these I just want to say thank you. You are making a modest but a very commendable contribution to the liberation of our beloved Uganda. How else could all these be going on in our country and we are quiet? We have been driven to hopelessness in this country. The other day I was in northern Uganda and some people were saying “we are tied of opposing this government and as a result we have not benfitted, this time we are voting Museveni!” a bit callous but it is a fact. The corrupt system has generated a feeling that the only way to “eat” is by joining the rot! There is a sense in which this decadent system has created a population which is so apathetic to the extent that they do not care what happens tomorrow as long they can sleep! By the way it does not matter whether they are “sleeping” on one meal a day and their children are attending school and are not getting educated in any way! I come from Teso in this part of our country English was a medium of communication with people from other tribes you would feel at home because virtually every one would communicate but you can be shocked by the inability of the UPE generation to even construct a single sentence in English; which is by the way the language of examination! It is frustrating but that is where we are. Museveni never misses to remind us that he introduced UPE and we should reward him with another “rap” I was trying to ask headteachers of primary schools what the contribution is and it is about Ushs 5000 less than $2.5 per child per year! Which parent was failing to contribute this amount to educate their children? UPE is a good idea but because Museveni uses it to ensure he stays on it has lost meaning. For 25 years we have been reminded that Museveni brought peace to this country, not withstanding the fact that for some of us from east and north of Uganda these 25 years have been the worst. On the economy, I probably would not want to dispute the figures GDP etal given by our staticians but exactly who is benefitting from this growth? Agriculture where more than 80% of Ugandans are involved contributes only 16% to GDP and is allocated 3.8% of the national budget! This is shocking because about 26 million of Uganda’s 33 million people is making this measly contribution and to all our effort some body wants another rap! There is an extent to which economic figures derived from averages engender deception and helps the Museveni’s to continue duping the world that they are doing fine. I do not know whether the opposition will give us anything better but I believe that change would introduce some dynamics that will jolt this thriving corruption industry presided over by NRM.

  17. Mr Bs

    April 17, 2011 at 09:49

    Hei he is the man to deal with in ug so to pull civilians out of terror ,believe me or no he is ,he will and here comes anew mandela of the regime


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