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NRM Should Bear the Parliamentary Loss of Expelling Its MPs

26 Apr

By Stephen Twinoburyo

Earlier today, I had an intensive debate with Mr Rugaba Hussein Kashillingi regarding the position of the four ruling party Members of Parliament, Mr Theodore Sekikubo (Lwemiyaga county MP), Mr Muhammed Nsereko (Kampala central MP), Mr Wilfred Niwagaba (Ndorwa East) and Mr Barnabas Tinkasiimire (Buyaga), that were expelled from the party for expressing independent opinions in a party where this is anathema.

I have been wondering if the NRM for some reason took a leaf from South Africa’s African National Congress that expelled its Youth League members last year. The circumstances though are completely different and few people in Uganda would regard these MPs as indisciplined while in South Africa, there was near unanimity on the indiscipline levels of the expelled members.

Rugaba Hussein Kashilligi’s argument is that these people should now vacate their seats since they no longer represent the NRM, and that’s where we disagree.

These MPs were not appointed to parliament by the NRM but rather elected by the people in their constituencies. In my opinion, the only thing that the NRM can do now is to count their losses in parliament and wait for the next elections. The other option is for the people that elected them to recall them – not the party.

 Image Two of the expelled MPs.

I took a look at Chapter 6 of the Uganda constitution which deals with the establishment, composition and functions of Parliament.

As for the composition, I only concern myself here with the election of members, as the other parts are not relevant to the matter at hand and this is what it says:

78. Composition of Parliament.
(1) Parliament shall consist of—
(a) members directly elected to represent constituencies;

In short, it’s the people’s power:

However, the most important part pertinent to this matter is the section below that explains the circumstances under which a member of parliament may lose his/her seat:

83. Tenure of office of members of Parliament.

(1) A member of Parliament shall vacate his or her seat in
Parliament—

(a) if he or she resigns his or her office in writing signed by him or
her and addressed to the Speaker;
(b) if such circumstances arise that if that person were not a member
of Parliament would cause that person to be disqualified for
election as a member of Parliament under article 80 of this
Constitution;
(c) subject to the provisions of this Constitution, upon dissolution of
Parliament;
(d) if that person is absent from fifteen sittings of Parliament without
permission in writing of the Speaker during any period when
Parliament is continuously meeting and is unable to offer
satisfactory explanation to the relevant parliamentary committee
for his or her absence;
(e) if that person is found guilty by the appropriate tribunal of
violation of the Leadership Code of Conduct and the punishment
imposed is or includes the vacation of the office of a member of
Parliament;
(f) if recalled by the electorate in his or her constituency in
accordance with this Constitution;
(g) if that person leaves the political party for which he or she stood
as a candidate for election to Parliament to join another party or
to remain in Parliament as an independent member;
(h) if, having been elected to Parliament as an independent candidate,
that person joins a political party;
(i) if that person is appointed a public officer.

(2) Notwithstanding clause (1)(g) and (h) of this article, membership
of a coalition government of which his or her original political party forms
part shall not affect the status of any member of Parliament.

(3) The provisions of clauses (1)(g) and (h) and (2) of this article shall
only apply during any period when the multiparty system of government is
in operation.

From the above, it appears to me that a Member of Parliament may only lose a seat out of reasons due to his/her making, like incompetence or criminal activity, or as a result of the electorate recalling him/her.

The only part that would have affected the expelled MPs is 1(g) above. However, these MPs have not left the NRM to join another party or become Independents. The NRM has decided to expel them from the party and they the NRM should bear the parliamentary loss and cannot make a choice for the people that elected them. If they had left the party out of their own volition, then that would be another case. The other alternative the NRM has is to go to those MPs constituencies and ask the people that sent them to parliament to recall them.

Some people have argued that we should look at what the NRM constitution says. Firstly, the NRM constitution is subordinate to the Uganda Constitution. Secondly, the role of the NRM constitution stopped at the expulsion of these members (not MPs) from the party. As far as parliamentary matters go, it’s that Uganda Constitution that applies.

Summarily put, the Uganda Constitution does not provide for a party removing a member from parliament. I guess the people that drafted it didn’t see this. The NRM too at that time must have been more interested in putting as many members into parliament as possible and did not foresee that a time will come when some of their own will turn against them as they slide further away from the people.

From my assessment therefore, the NRM members in Parliament are four MPs less.

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  1. Twino Speaks

    April 26, 2013 at 11:32

    Below are the comments that were received on facebook:

    Sarah Seruwagi Stephen Twinoburyo! You completed my day, no further questions, doing the needful, sharing! 1000 thanks.

    Kafeero David Thank You a change would mean also the President must not be directly elected hence made President in parliarment? Direct election does not conform with multiparty system of party controls

    Jimmy Justice Kiwule Thanx for the analysis twino.

    Tio T Musiwufu Makes sense to me!

    Oyaka Wa Makmot Hmmm…quite a compelling argument but I think there are some holes in it. I’ll wait to see how it all boils over but I think we should brace ourselves for by-elections.

    Sarah Seruwagi @ST; the power of the law and its applicability……..YES WE CAN!

    Ruhindayo M Rumanda and that is what NRM is doing. well put though, exquisite elucidation

    Phillip Kakuru Thanks Steve I think at this pace of Supressing Voices of dissent and reason contrary to Majority in Party is such a worrying factor to the NRM party and Multi party democracy in Uganda. Then who will now be the voices of debate in NRM? Poor NRM big loss

    Arinaitwe Mpangaza Fred My dear even if you interprete it upside down,
    in the real sense we’re in multparty system,
    and when we’re organising and conducting elections we do it in a manner that every party has the representative and that’s why we conduct first primaries so that the party can find the suitable representative, my question is, are those four suitable for the NRM party now
    and where do they belong now? Just use your common sense…
    Which seats are they going to use of the Opposition, Independent or leading party
    Front bench or back bench? Where are they going to sit? To me they have no space!
    It is matter of legal and constitution interpretion which can be done in constitutional court if need be. And am very much aware that among the committee members they’re very many senior Lawyers who could have guided the panel..

    Charles Ddamulira Stephen Twinoburyo as u put it the relevant clause is article 83 (1) g…don’t look elsewhere. There two ways that article can be interpreted either u leave voluntariry or involuntaliry. In this case its involuntariry.they have been expelled from NRM. IN ANY CASE. THE COURTS HAVE PRONOUSED THEMSELVES OVER THIS MATTER WHEN NMR MEMBERS LOST THEIR SEATS

    Kaze Prosper Twino, Omwana w’omuntu, I beg to disagree, according to 1g, this is how NRM will interprete this, The 4 have been expelled from the party and once you are expelled,, you have to leave, there is no choice! And the provision for MPs is that thay are either independents or Affiliated to a party, so where shall they stand if the remain in Parliament yet the are not NRM , Or independent or opposition party members????? My view is that the NRM has borrowed a leaf from Burundi parliament, we had the same scenario in 2007, and 22 MPs from the ruling party were expelled in the same way, they are still on the streets my dear! they tried to even go as far as the African parliamentary Union to plead their case, but Waapi….The burundi constitutional court ruled the same way the UG constitutional will rule! watch the space…..

    Gee Kay NRM is now like a mangoe tree which when it bears fruits that don’t taste like mangoes bse of the wrong agricultural inputs that were used to grow it, then that tree ceases to b called a mangoe tree. NRM is becoming a victim of its poor Governance principles & when it’s brave members speak out, then they cease to belong NRM. That is carp!! NRM Hz ceased to b a party of purpose it’s just embarrassing itself everi other day. Tukoye!!

    Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo This issue had been debated before over this same matter because it was clear that soon . The Constiution tallks of the person leaving and nit being expelled. The provision will require to be amended to be applicable in this case. Let us wait and see if somone will say being expelled is the same as leaving a politial party!

    Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo @Kaze Prosper what did the Constitution of Burundi say. There is certainly a gap in the uganda constitution that was not seen by the law makers. The Judges will make their pronoucement by my take is that this calls for a Constitutional amendment.

    Charles Ddamulira none of those people you are referring to were expelled. They all left the party after loosing in the Primaries. The Constitution should have said if an individual ceases to be a member of the party but in the event it is clearly spelt out that if the individual leaves the party which they have not!

    Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga I’m no constitutional lawyer, but that sounds like a very good analysis, Stephen. In my mother tongue we say that the cure for an itch is to scratch it. So, the expelled MPs should brace themselves for a by-election. We’ve seen in many recent by-elections that the NRM is beatable. Those of us who want to help break the jinx of violent political change in Uganda should prepare to do what we can to support independent-minded and principled politicians regardless of party affiliation who have demonstrated their commitment to fight the runaway corruption and patronage that’s eating our country alive.

    Stephen Twinoburyo Arinaitwe Mpangaza Fred, we are not arguing this as if we are before a traditional gathering of chiefs. We have to rely on the constitution and I want you to argue basing yourself on that. Where they will belong is not an issue here but what the constitution says should happen. Give me a constitutional backing to your disagreement. Charles Charles Ddamulira, leaving to join another party or become an independent is not the same as being expelled. Supposing those MPs argue that they want to remain in the NRM and that it’s not their intention to cross to anywhere else, how will this be handled? Adding to Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo’s response to Kaze Prosper, I would also like to know what the Burundi constitution says and what the circumstances were.

    Arinaitwe Mpangaza Fred Hahahaha Stephen,
    you have forgotten that the Constitution you’re refering to was made by Traditional leaders and locals you’re overlooking?.

    Bireete Sarah I entirely agree with Christine. The mentioned article refers to a situation if a member of parliament crosses the floor of the house , eg, front NRM to opposition side or independents. It does not refer to departure from the party interns of voluntary or involuntary “leaving”. The same law failed to apply when FDC expelled Betty Kamya and Onzima. Plus during the so called disciplinary hearing, were the rules of natural justice followed? Members became prosecutors, judges and the jury!

    Cliff Salongo Butagira The electorate voted for them as party flag bearers and the MP’s rode on this during their campaigns a party has a constitution and once a member you adhere to this as any other institution .once you don’t there are consequences they thought they were bigger than their party which in my view is wrong .and by the way this could be any party not necessarily NRM and the same would happen.some of our MP’s forget that they are a people’s representative

    Rugaba Hussein Kashillingi Stephen Twinoburyo I see a lot of sense in your argument or analysis and its very persuasive. There seems to me be a lacuna in the law that the framers of the constitution did not expressly attend to. And that’s the power or lack thereof, that a political party has over it’s member in parliament. I do not think it was the intention of the constitution makers to create an absurdity. The question that puzzles me is if a political party nominated you as it’s candidate after having successfully won primaries for the same, and presents you to the Electoral Commission as its candidate for that constituency, what happens when the same political party in a decision by one of its mandated organs, expels you? Can you continue to be in Parliament while not belonging to any party or being an Independent? My answer is NO. Can you declare yourself an Independent then? my answer is still NO! So what are you then? This is where I’d appreciate your guidance my brother.

    Mary Grace Ssuuna There is a precedent in Uganda. When Beti Olive Namisango Kamya-Turwomwe was expelled from FDC, did she lose her seat? I do not remember FDC following her to parliament and asking her to quit.

    Rugaba Hussein Kashillingi Mary Grace Ssuuna, my recollection is that Beti Kamya wasn’t expelled but suspended from participating in any activities of the FDC. I also recall that she was instead dismissed from her portfolio of Special Envoy in the Office of the President. She decided on her own to quit the party and form her own, which she initially registered as an NGO, and only turned it into a party when she wanted to compete for the Presidency. I could be wrong and would appreciate any information to the contrary.

    Mary Grace Ssuuna The suspension was before the disciplinary hearing was completed. She and Onzima were later expelled.

    Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo Interesting Mary Grace Ssuuna! But knowing the NRM they might even demand that the group refunds the State the emoluments they received! Let us for a moment look at SA. In SA the ruling party can actually withdraw a person from the Presidency…as was the case with Mbeki. Can the NRM do that? I do not think so. The Presdent is elected by the populaton and much as he stands as a flag bearer of a political party, I cannot see the NRm saying enough we do nit want you here so off you go!

    Angela Nalikka All I can see is party, party, party, where does that leave the Voter? We are at a point where the voters now choose individuals and not necessarily the party. Will expelling them help or hinder service delivery? What was the big sin? Was it discussing corruption at the ‘wrong’ forum? Reminds me of the Fr. Musaala/Bishop Lwanga saga. “An old woman is always uncomfortable when dry bones are mentioned”, so says the late Chinua Achebe.

    Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga This is the mean-spirited streak of the NRM in display. Do any of you remember how the vehicle registry skipped UPC number plates 15, 20 years ago?

    Arinaitwe Mpangaza Fred I really don’t remember Hon. Betty Kamya being expelled from her former Party.

    Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo The voters…those sell their rights for a sachet of salt, waragi and half a bar of soap….the rest who do not, well those are far too few and too poor to shake the tree on which the rulers are safely perched feasting on the fruits and throwing down the kernels to the lowly human being who water and put manure on the plant. Till the voters can voilently shake the tree and make it unbearable for them, the voter is not anyone to consider in the big scheme of things!

    Stephen Twinoburyo Rugaba Hussein Kashillingi, answering your first question as regards a person representing a party and ceasing to do so once expelled, that would apply in electoral systems where people vote for a party and the party selects it’s representatives as in the case of South Africa or UPC’s Obote II but not where people directly vote for their representatives. NRM here assumes that the MPs won because of the party but it could be the other way round – the party got numbers because of the charisma of these people.

    Amos Kasibante Isn’t it surprising the lacuna that Hussein Kashilingi points to: about the Constitution being silent about an MP who is expelled from the party. Why, we may wonder, did the framers of the Constitutional not take not of that possibility? Could it be that being expelled from a party when you have not committed a crime as opposed to some form of ‘indiscipline’, ‘failing to toe the party line’ or ‘disrespecting the party leader’ was not thought by them to be an act occasioning suspension or expulsion from the party? Just speculating.

    Since we have heard Arinaitwe Mpangaza’s take (reflected also in Hussein’s post) and that of Stephen Twinoburyo – how about revisiting the reasons for the expulsion. Why exactly have they been expelled? Excuse my having to ask?

    David Katabishwa Ok… Are they now political party orphans???!!!!

    Dickens Heavens Honeywell ·
    Ok guuuuuuuyz. Key word when some one LEAVES the party. Practically now are Sekikubos still members of NRM or left?

    Arinaitwe Mpangaza Fred Oooh Dickens,
    you cannot be expelled and you fail to ”LEAVE”.
    You have to ”LEAVE” by all means!!
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    Ruth Ka · 7 mutual friends
    In our culture, kids dont talk when grownups are eating. Next time these fellows will know how to behave.

    Arinaitwe Mpangaza Fred But you’re one of kids!

    Kafeero David The PM and SG of NRM says they have withdrawn the ID of NRM from the expeled MP in the house hence they are not MPs any more you are either indepedant or belong to aparty the law remains to be further explained on being directly elected by people and how the Presidency direct election might change too in future

    Stephen Twinoburyo These people did not leave parliament but attempts are being made to force them out. This is where the constitution should be used to protect them and safeguard the power of the people that elected them.

    Stephen Twinoburyo NRM ID is not a qualification for bring in parliament. These people’s qualification was the vote they received from their consistencies.

    Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo Why is the PM still holding the SG post of the party if I may ask? Is that not indiscipline deserving of expulsion? He has no moral ground to talk of indiscpline of members!

    Mary Kelly I think the Four MP’s Expelled from NRM should Consider themselves Lucky. History will be kind to them! Their Names are cleared officially of any involvement in NRM Thefts and Impunity! They just jumped off in time!

    Kafeero David What does direct election mean in the Law and how can be reversed? yet be party based election

    Dickens Heavens Honeywell ·
    @Arinaitwe thanks for your wise ruling(Its the 1st time for us to agree and I’m extreemly glad). @Stephen its clear they have LEFT the party and hence lost the seat(Just read the simple explanation of Fred Arinaitwe). To in parliament all the affected guyz are even reluctant of going to court and all are just waiting to face the by-elections.

    Mary Grace Ssuuna I am waiting to see the end of this circus. Had these MPs not gone to court questioning the constitutionality of summoning them to the disciplinary committee? I wonder who will have the last laugh.

    Dickens Heavens Honeywell ·
    The PM is officially resigning as SG on 30st May. I dont belong or support NRM THOUGH.

    Stephen Twinoburyo I’m glad you are clearing yourself from NRM in time.

    Arinaitwe Mpangaza Fred But there is no where it is written in our laws that parties cannot or should not expel its members especially MPs..
    And if they were expelled legally then they ”MUST LEAVE”.

    Stephen Twinoburyo Parties have their own guidelines and can expel any members. However they don’t have powers to remove a member from parliament. This constitution was mainly driven by NRM and on that point, they slept.

    Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo Why May 30th? Are we talking here 2016 or which year?

    Dickens Heavens Honeywell · 57 mutual friends
    Hahahahaha. Stephen I’m 23 and not likely fall in dat category. Fred is real enlighting us and dats gona b d case. They have LEFT and seats vaccant.

    Kafeero David The PARTY ID as an MP true is the people does the party have legal authority to withdraw the people? certainly direct election has to be stopped

    Dickens Heavens Honeywell · 57 mutual friends
    30st May 2013 is when NRM shall convene National Delegate Conference to elect new SG.

    Mary Grace Ssuuna However, Oguttu said the MPs should not be expelled based on ideological disagreements because they are supposed to represent their voters.

    “Our MPs were voted by their people in different areas and those people want to see their issues presented to Parliament. On such grounds, the party cannot expect an MP to keep silent because there is a party position, “he noted.
    http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/641676-fdc-backs-nrm-rebel-mps-expulsion.html
    FDC backs NRM rebel MPs expulsion
    http://www.newvision.co.ug
    Opposition party, Forum for Democratic Change (FDC), has welcomed a move by NRM to expel rebel MPs over indiscipline.

    Arinaitwe Mpangaza Fred Our Parliament is not a place of failures.
    If they failed to work or to obey the terms and conditions of their party,
    then which party are they representing?
    They MUST LEAVE.

    Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo The NRM bigwigs should read the history of UPC and the expulsion of John Kakonge from the Party way back and the unease and rift it caused and accored them. History they say repeat itself!

    It seems that if you are in Parliament and disagree vehemently with the state of affairs and question certain things your place is assigned and your fate designated. The House is for the AYEs!

    Dickens Heavens Honeywell · 57 mutual friends
    Who is Oguttu? Constithtional court judge or lawyer? Yes those people(electorate) still have the ball in their courts to decide bring these guyz back thru fresh elections.

    Arinaitwe Mpangaza Fred Dickens,
    Fresh elections
    PERIOD!

    Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo Dickens Heavens Honeywell Oguttu has as much right to an opinion on this isssue as any other person. He does not need to be a Constitutional Judge or a lawyer. The Constitution is for all Ugandans and if the least of Ugandans cannot understand and appreciate it, it is not worth the paper on which it is written!

    Kafeero David Then can a political party out of the house rules change a President using with drawing membership even when directly elected we have a mix up

    Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo On Saturday I read a Guideline issued by Mr. Chris Kassami about the state of the economy…apparently we are cash strapped as a nation…and the tax payers are to foot this byelection bill. All for what?

    I asked that same question Kafeero David and no one wants to give an answer?

    Dickens Heavens Honeywell · 57 mutual friends
    Then its just opinion not order or authority reading of event. Guyz we r wastin time talking here. The bottom line is not even Constitutional Court interpretation but FRESH elections! Bye everybody.

    Mary Grace Ssuuna Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo, does the NRM mind about such wastage? I am sure they lined up candidates already for those positions. i would not be surprised if some of the most vocal people here are the ones looking at those positions.

    Arinaitwe Mpangaza Fred Ssuuna,
    if they have necessary qualifications,
    why not?

    Dickens Heavens Honeywell ·
    Yes we are now talking. Financial implications. Yes its huge but EC have all the arrangement always for such EXPECTED development. On interest I’m from Lango not Lwemiaga or Buyaga. Thoug I can help give u info dat 2 of the CEC members who also decided the fate of these guys, are also waiting to stand.

    David Mwesigwa · Friends with Drew Ddembe and 28 others
    “If we do not stand together as brothers,we will perish together as fools.” Martin Luther King Jr.This guy was exceedingly bright at forecasting.In the essence he fore saw a party in Uganda where some people have to accept perish together as fools like it was in 1990s Kibwetere saga in Kanungu.He foresaw that those who speke against the evil in a party so as to make it clean would be expelled so as to maintain and perhaps increase the dirty status quo so as those within can perish together as fools.He foresaw that a party in Uganda would expel some parliamentarians from the party NRM so as to dupe their electorates who are not only NRM electorates but a multiplicity of all parties that their members of parliament have been expelled from a National assembly as well so as the electorates especially those not in NRM party can believe and perish together as fools..Big Up MLKING.

    Kafeero David If NRM never had speculative party structures they would be sure already these MPs are out of the House before expelision now they have to work from top down to enforce party rules no youth and women legue or ground voices to direct the NEC and make easy exit job of MP without room for legal battle the suprem the people will push it easy

    Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo If anyone opts to take the issue for constitutional interpretation, we have no basis to deny them that quest. Fresh elections cannot and should not be the solution to all political disagreements!

    Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo Dickens Heavens Honeywell that is the epitome of conflicts of interest if what you are alleging has any grounds at att. Anyone who will benefit directly from the decision of the party organ should have excused themselves from the process!

    Dickens Heavens Honeywell ·
    Wait & see!

    Mary Grace Ssuuna Dickens Heavens Honeywell, what would stop you contesting Mohammed Nsereko’s post if you are a registered voter there. Nyakana is not born in Buganda, neither is Ruhindi representing Nakawa.

    Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo I know that everything is possible in Uganda..it is a case of the kettle calling the pot black!

    Oho!” said the pot to the kettle;
    “You are dirty and ugly and black!
    Sure no one would think you were metal,
    Except when you’re given a crack.”
    “Not so! not so!” kettle said to the pot;
    “‘Tis your own dirty image you see;
    For I am so clean – without blemish or blot –
    That your blackness is mirrored in me’

    Maxwell 1904

    Dickens Heavens Honeywell · 57 mutual friends
    True @Mary. I’d but parliament have lost meaning. Almost zero intergrity, quality degenerated so much.

    Kafeero David Christain to me the entire thing is important in exposing the 50yrs old Extraction unitary colony national state with an absolut governors powers reporting to the Queen of England that our brothers in KENYA distroyed recently away from the imperial presidential system. To shared and consultative power bases driven from people not guns and bombs one controls like in colonial times ours is a hang over of a colonial nature

    Amos Kasibante The few hours I have been off-line this queue has gotten longer than I had expected. Except that most of the posts are reciting previous arguments about constitutionality or the lack thereof. No one has answered my question as to why exactly the Gang of Four have been expelled. I assume that you all know the reasons or that my question is not relevant any more.

    On another note, Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo, has said a very significant thing. The NRM should learn from UPC’s history. I would like to add that it is increasingly looking like UPC.

    Stephen Twinoburyo Amos, my understanding is that they were expelled for being ‘indisciplined’ – ie questioning the corruption and absence of free expression within the party. I guess one of the motives of this is to cow the remaining MPs, and any other party members for that matter, into total submission and silence.

    Amos Kasibante But let’s see. What are they going to lose? One of them is a lawyer. He can survive outside of parliament. I don’t know the jobs of the rest. I think in fact that rather than suffer humiliation and dejection, they are basking in the glory of defiance or even standing on a point of principle. And considering that they are relatively young, they will live to be able to say “we told you so”!
    April 16 at 12:09am · Like · 4
    Stephen Twinoburyo Lawyers on this thread can also give us their constitutional interpretation of the matter.

    Christine Lubwa Oryema Lalobo Amos the issue has been ongoing for along long while…the late Nebanda wouls hvae faced the axe too if she were still breathing. NRM has extreme intoleranc to people who express views that make their President and members look bad. The quardruplets are not the first ones to undergo extreme pressure…When Kiza Besigye diasgreed on some issues he triggered a hatred that will never go away….making matters worst Kizza Besigye also did not seem to be satisfied with just eyng the keys to the State House but a woman who had a history of sorts to the Emperor. A good number of avowed FDC members are from NRM because they objected to one thing or another and that is what makes FDC very difficult to sell. Unfortunately in most of these cases they begin by defending the system that will turn round and both hunt and haunt them severely. They will be witchhunted to their doorsteps and final place of abode. The NRM for those who doubted it is a draconian secret society sworn to defend and protect the single and ultimate ambition…the rule of one and only man with a vision and for that everything else must be ignored. I am sure the same NRM will try to see that these four meet their ruin as an example to other members who might try to talk out about the one man rule and also more importantly against corruption. In Uganda you cannot operate from the inside neither cn you operate from the outside…we are all tied to this unattainable ambition of one man ruling forever! With the cuts in budget for Ministries you can see that they expct unrest and hence those who wield apparatus of oppression will get more cash to beat the rest into slience. Fuel already selling at nearly 4k and we are told the tax on it will go up in soon…fuel to go up again soon! Airtime…for communications will go up…I think cement too might go up…They will up everything that can make the ordinary person struggle to the next level and to add cream to the final cake, just beat them to silence. That is sadly the price that those who sit back to be liberated have to at times pay.

    Stephen Twinoburyo I copied this from another wall:

    Parliament Spokesperson Hellen Kaweesa said: “As far as we are concerned they (the four) remain MPs until court advises us otherwise. There is no enabling law that compels us to expel MPs who have been expelled from their political parties.”

    Barbra Natifu Good argument ST, only catching up with this lively debate now.

    Barbra Natifu Personally, I dont think they even committed a crime, what is wrong with holding and voice an opinion, in ones individual capacity, that is not necessarily the opinion of the collective group?!? How does that then constitute to “indiscipline” and consequent “expulsion”?

    Barbra Natifu Mbu so called ‘rebel’ MPs…whoever holds a contrary opinion, is to be labelled all sorts of names; from labeling Dr K and activists “economic saboteurs” now these dissenting MPs have suddenly become “rebels”…I dont know what else is in the offing…..

    Kaze Prosper Please find below explanation from Human Rights Watch article what happened in Burundi:
    ” With the defection of 22 members, the CNDD-FDD could no longer control the National Assembly, leaving the body so paralyzed that it failed to pass a single law during its recent three-month session. At the request of CNDD-FDD leader Jérémie Ngendakumana, National Assembly president Pie Ntavyohanyuma, also a CNDD-FDD member, asked the Constitutional Court in a letter dated May 30 to determine whether persons who had left the CNDD-FDD could continue to sit as members of the National Assembly.

    After less than two days of deliberation – with unprecedented speed, according to Burundian magistrates – the Constitutional Court ruled on June 6 that the former party members were occupying their seats in violation of the constitution. The court based its decision largely on its interpretation of article 169 of the constitution, which provides that candidates “cannot be elected and sit in the National Assembly” unless their party has received at least 2 percent of the popular vote. Because “independents” did not win more than 2 percent of the vote in 2005, non-aligned parliamentarians such as the 22 former CNDD-FDD members could not remain in the assembly.”
    Full article can be read here: http://www.hrw.org/news/2008/06/16/burundi-constitutional-court-decision-unseats-22-lawmakers
    Burundi: Constitutional Court Decision Unseats 22 Lawmakers | Human Rights Watch
    http://www.hrw.org
    The ousting of 22 National Assembly members, following a Constitutional Court de…See More
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    Amos Kasibante Obviously the Burundi judgement is not being held out as a civilised model of constitutionality, is it? There must be something wrong with the whole system – at political level – if all 22 MPs should defect.

    Stephen Twinoburyo And again in the Burundi case, the MPs defected unlike the case of the 4 Ugandan MPs.

    David William Rukanshonga Honestly I don’t see why you guys are having such a debate.

    I wish those calling for fresh elections could answer this simple question. Were those MP’s appointed in parliament or by the people they represent?

    To me, people elect representatives/leaders to office based on what they’ve been promised.

    They don’t elect a party.

    Likewise, if NRM is to fire M7 (in my dreams) M7 would under no circumstances leave state house.

    People elected him based on what he promised them during his campaigns and perhaps for bringing them “Tulo”.

    Its logical if fresh elections are called if an MP dies before his/her term ends. But it would be stupid for an MP to be dismissed from parliament by a party (which didn’t place him there) to dismiss him/her from parliament.

    What of independents, who then elected them there? An independent party????

    Let’s argue stuff with common sense not because we have loud mouths and have plenty of time to argue and write trash.

    Daniel R Ruhweza Stephen , for a man of science, this is a well-reasoned argument. I will agree with you in light of the Supreme Court Judgement in Lukyamuzi v Attorney General, Electoral Commission (Constitutional Appeal No.2 2007) …See More
    Lukyamuzi v Attorney General, Electoral Commission (Constitutional Appeal No.2 2007) | Uganda Legal
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    Stephen Twinoburyo Thank you learned friend, Daniel R Ruhweza, for that learned addition.

    Drew Ddembe The bottomline is that the NRM has put its foot into its own mouth as usual and will pay in embarrassment and humiliation, a currency that isquite appropriate in this situation.

    The expulsions were in bad faith to prevent internal dissent and presumed…See More

     

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